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to beat president obama. a look at the war in afghanistan. now the longest war. how do we get out? does obama's policy differ from president bush's and what is the effect for generations to come? joe and mika and willie join in the conversation later this hour. we begin with the debt crisis. they are trying to make a deal on the deficit. houses of congress are rolling out separate compromises to safe off a default. harry reid is meeting with mitch mcconnell to craft a solution to appeal to both parties. according to reports, this would do the following. it would allow the debt ceiling to be raised three times for a total of $2.5 trillion. in exchange, some $1.5 trillion in spending cuts would be enacted. the plan would be established to identify new deficit cuts. proposal, already, getting a lukewarm response from the fellow republicans. among them, the freshman snar mark arubio and tom coburn. take a listen. >> it gives the president the ability to raise the debt limit. the debt limit isn't the problem. the problem is the debt. the plan, as outlined to me isn't a credible solution. >>
.s. military objectives in iraq and afghanistan with the center for strategic international studies and we will talk about the debt ceiling debate and the 2012 campaign with the former chairman of the democratic national committee, tim kaine and fox news andtucker carlson. "washington♪ host: today is wednesday, july 13. we begin by talking about the continuing negotiations regarding the gatt talks happening on capitol hill -- devt talks happening on capitol hill. we will have coverage of that on c-span.org. the first 45 minutes, we want to talk about some of the items in the headlines this morning. "l.a. times," debt talks grow more desperate. senators at merger -- urgent three stage process. it would have a last choice option. for the first 45 minutes, republicans only. we want to get your thoughts on republican leadership handling the debt talks. the numbers are on the screen. if you are in the eastern and central time zone for the first. the second if you are in the mountain and pacific time zones. for the first 45 minutes, just republicans talking about the republican congressional
-brother shot dead in afghanistan. why it could be a major boost to the taliban and huge blow to the united states and nato. plus, nbc's exclusive interview with outgoing u.s. ambassador and blunt speaker sometimes, carl eikenberry. >>> a secret videotape raising new questions about michele bachmann's husband. doctor toldm is best absorbed in small continuous amounts. only one calcium supplement does that in one daily dose. new citracal slow release... continuously releases calcium plus d for the efficient absorption my body needs. citracal. to your kids' wet skin. new neutrogena® wet skin kids. ordinary sunblock drips and whitens. neutrogena® wet skin cuts through water. forms a broad spectrum barrier for full strength sun protection. wet skin. neutrogena®. host: could iting to geico for full strength reon car insurance? or more host: do people use smartphones to do dumb things? man 1: send, that is the weekend. app grapgic: yeah dawg! man 2: allow me to crack...the bubbly! man 1: don't mind if i doozy. man 3: is a gentleman with a brostache invited over to this party? man 1: only if he
with the terror attack rocks afghanistan, should the u.s. rethink the drawdown plan? we get on the ground assessment from those on the ground in foreign policy, senator joe lieberman and lindsey graham. what do the fundraising numbers tell us about the presidential field. we ask the sunday panel, which candid gaits are making a move -- candidates are making a move and which are stalled. on this fourth of july weekend, actor gary sinise tells us how he wants to help the veterans and the wounded warriors. all right now on "fox news sunday." hello again, from fox news in washington. as the nation celebrates the fourth of july holiday weekend. it's getting to be crunch time in the capital in the high-stakes battle over increasing the debt ceiling. here to discuss where the negotiations stand is a member of the senate republican leadership, john cornyn. welcome back to sunday sunday. >> good morning. >> on friday, the treasury department reiterated what it told us. august 2 is the date we exhaust the borrowing authority under the current debt ceiling re cap what the president had to say this w
the threat of default or downgrade. >> ron insana there. meanwhile, u.s. troops in afghanistan are worried they may not get paid because of this debt showdown in washington. gener good saturday morning to you, atia. so what was this meeting with the troops like? >> reporter: good morning, alex. the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, admiral mullen, made his way down to the southern part of afghanistan, the most volatile part in the country. his number one question from the soldiers, airmen, sailors and marines wasn't necessarily about the military strategy but it was, will we get paid. and his response was, i actually don't know the answer to that question. i have confidence that at some point in time whatever compensation you are owed you will be given. obviously the americans here in afghanistan, very worried about what's going on in washington. many of these men and women haven't seen their families for several months. many won't see them for a full year and they're wondering if those family members are going to be getting those paychecks. they're risking their lives here in afghani
of that part of the savings that the majority leader reid hopes to get is from the war in afghanistan and iraq beginning to wind down. and the cbo has looked at that and said there's a trillion worth of savings that's not real savings because everybody knows the war will wind down. when you look at it as i see it harry reid's proposal is about $950 billion worth of savings. john boehner is $917. quite similar. not the 2.2 or 2.4 that's being talked about. so we do have to do more in term of the immediate cuts in order to extend it for the period of time the president would like. the alternative is this two step process. a trillion dollars now and then have this special committee that would meet and report by the end of november and then there would be additional savings under the boehner proposal. that's almost $2 trillion additional savings, 1.1 trillion. >> the president says he doesn't want to have another formal vote next year and put the country through this ordeal once again right in the middle of elections. he has a point there, right? >> well, wolf, he doesn't have much a point of putt
, the which he and debt crisis are weighing heavily on u.s. troops in afghanistan. and the top question on their minds saturday, even as bombings rock the city around them, was the top u.s. military officer couldn't answer. a question he couldn't answer. will we -- these are soldiers in afghanistan with bombs bursting around them and here is what the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff said. and i quote, i actually don't know the answer to that question. i noknow mike mcmullen responde while at the same time saying continuing to work each day, wearing the uniform, listening to bombs go off around them. that's why today we have with us some -- what is referred to you by you press folks as real people. i guess we're not. we have students like laura and sydney, veterans like bill and roger and carlos, arianna, who is a senior, guillermo, who say senior, lucia, a senior, felicia is a senior, mary ellen is a senior, alisa is a senior, they're here representing the millions of people around this country who are as brave as the soldiers on the front lines in afghanistan. we don't have time f
.e.d.s in parked cars. a style of attack most often associated with extremists in afghanistan, iraq and pakistan. while there is no immediate claim of responsibility, the u.s. officials say a handful of networks including an indian terrorist group may be behind the bombing. a senator with an intelligence background says the indian mujahadeen who want them to dominate the indian way of life is suspect. but they say the group is poorly organize and possibly had outside help, possibly from pakistani intelligence. >> with a dramatic attack like this, coordinated over three locations, it took money and it took planning. that always raises the speckor of the isi in pakistan. >> the three explosions at the mumbai opera house, jewelry district and major commuter hub drew comparisons to the mumbai attack in 2008. the ram pain that lasted for 60 hours killing 166 people was low-tech. it relied on ten pakistani militants armed with cell phone, handguns and back packs filled with explosives. the group l.e.t. linked to pakistani intelligence was blamed. >> the obvious question: is pakistan involved? i cannot
out in afghanistan or ahmed wali karzai. the president wept openly during the burial at one point climbing inside the grave to help move his brother's body. ahmed karzai was murdered yesterday by a trusted body guard. >>> there will be a second memorial service in michigan tonight for former first lady betty ford. she died friday at age 93 was mourned at funeral services yesterday in palm desert, among those attending, rosalyn carter, hillary clinton. >>> prince fielder got mvp for this three-run homer in the fourth inning. >>> 14 minutes past the hour. here's chris. >> thanks so much. >>> a blistering heat wave continues across large sections of the country, from texas to the east coast while parts of the northeast will finally see some relief today. cbs's betty nguyen is in times square with more for us today. hi betty. >> reporter: hi there chris. we've been lucky in new york, seen temperatures in the high 90s but in the plains states, this heat wave is fueling one of the worst droughts that many have seen in decades. crippling heat gripped half of the nation tuesday as the nat
in afghanistan, general david petraeus targeted by bin laden. >>> and here in washington, president obama urges democrats and republicans to avert what he calls armageddon, telling them to set politics aside as the clock ticks closer toward an impending default on the u.s. national debt. >>> and californians are bracing for what they call carmageddon. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. breaking news and political headlines all straight ahead. i'm wolf blitzer, you're in the "situation room." >>> we begin with alarming new signs osama bin laden may have been plotting an attack on the president of the united states. those details coming from the stash of documents found inside bin laden's compound after u.s. special forces killed the al qaeda leader. our pentagon correspondent barbara star is working the details for us. tell us what we know, barbara. >> make no mistake about it that at this hour, there are grim new details about what osama bin laden had in mind. >> reporter: while hiding out in his compound, osama bin laden was hatching up a new nightmare sc
pakistan is critical to the success in afghanistan, as a supply route. things have been tense for a while. highlighted by the apparent lack of communication surrounding our raid that took out bin laden on their soil. today, white house chief of staff bill daley made clear that until we patch it up with pakistan, their wallets will be lighter. >> obviously, they have been an important ally in the fight on terrorism. they've been victim of enormous amount of terrorism. but right now, they have taken some steps that have given us reason to pause on some of the aid which we were giving to their military. >> reporter: using broader strokes, president obama said this week that we need to keep giving foreign countries aid so they don't become terrorist breeding grounds. he thinks it's worth it though we don't have dough to spare at home. >> it's smart for us to make a very modest invest in the foreign aid. it's a force multiplier and something that even in tough fiscal times, america needs to continue to do as part of our role as global leader. >> reporter: the money we withhold won't affect non
india's financial capital, and the strings go straight back to afghanistan and pakistan. that's coming up. [ male announcer ] at nissan, we test the altima's durability on a track that simulates the world's toughest roads. ♪ [ tires screeching ] ♪ if it can survive this drive... ♪ it can survive yours. the nissan altima. innovation that lasts. innovation for all. ♪ there's another way to minimize litter box odor: purina tidy cats. tidy cats premium line of litters now works harder to help neutralize odors in multiple-cat homes. and our improved formula also helps eliminate dust. so it's easier than ever to keep your house smelling just the way you want it. purina tidy cats. keep your home smelling like home. >>> well, flash point in india, tensions rising syria as well, 21 dead, 100 blood yesterday after a coordinated attack in mumbai. a mass set of confusion this hour to who's to blame. police looking into the indian mujahedeen. also a suspicion on militant grew ups that led a sewage in '08. today three blasts hit during the rush hour, just days after the seven-year anniversar
part d, and iraq and afghanistan on the credit card. so, democrats like me, and i even think that bernie are absolutely opposed to raiding social security, or raiding medicare to supplement the tax cuts for the wealthy, and on the other hand, to the extent that we do anything with social security, like for instance, should we raise the cap? i e kind kind of think we shoul because it raises more money into the social security, but it has to go there to make sure that the program is solvent. we would resist the president if his approach, and he has not outlined what it is, but to take away benefits on medicare and social security. >> what do you say to the constituents who look at this impasse, these stalled talks and say, look at washington. they can't address the commitments that have been made financially, that we need to pay for. they can't even get to the bottom of an agreement on this issue. >> i e say thsay they are right. there is an enormous frustration with the american public of having a debate as if paying the bills is optional. a great country has a great commitmen
of afghanistan and iraq. >> the republicans we have on the show say they are open to the loophole cuts. are they? >> tom coburn is. he provides a lot of cover. >> i was wondering what mike was quoting. how many pages can you get read in the seventh inning stretch? >> it's in between innings. it's the entire game. >> the tough thing for president obama, he's going to say he will extend the deadline, if it looks like a deal is coming together. this, to me, is the difficult part. if all he had to deal with was the senate, i have no doubt in the next week you would have a deal that would work. the house is difficult. he's going to need to know from nancy pelosi and john boehner the votes are in place. today, not even close to that. >> you will lose 100, maybe 120 republicans right out. if you get most of the democratic caucus and boehner pulls in 100 republicans, it gets done. it's up to the democrats. i think boehner can get 100 republicans. can pelosi get 120 democrats? >> right. okay. we are going to get to bill karins on the heat in a minute. before we go, new developments in the hacking scandal
than a hundred al qaeda operatives in afghanistan. i'm not sure how he got that number but a u.s. official is saying al qaeda's power has diminished. i think the most important evidence is look back at the past ten years. al qaeda hasn't killed a single american on u.s. soil since 9/11 and it's such an important reminder for our viewers in america who have been infused with fear about al qaeda the past ten years. >> you talk about this infused fear. every so often, many a times throughout the year, we hear about chatter. there is chatter out there. there is chatter we should be concerned. what exactly do you think that means? because we never seem to get a definition on what that so-called "chatter" is. >> reporter: yeah, i'm not sure what chatter is. i think as journalists we have been guilty of not asking the tough questions. we have never asked what is chatter? we have never asked u.s. counterterrorism officials to show us evidence of chatter. and i think that is because of the impact of 9/11. this was the greatest american tragedy in recent memory. it had huge impact on ame
trillion of cuts savings from leaving afghanistan and iraq is just not credible. we don't know what the obstacles are going to be in afghanistan and possibly iraq. we also don't know what we might have to do in the middle east going forward. afghanistan is not settled, mr. president, and we have to have a certain level of stability on the ground in afghanistan or we will have wasted the billions that we have already spent and the lives of our military personnel in afghanistan because it will go back to the way it was before, a center for terrorism that will comeo our country or can come to our country. it did once already and we have been over there to try to wipe out al qaeda and the taliban, which has been in league with al qaeda. we have been over there losing american lives and spending american taxpayer dollars to protect our country from another 9/11. to say that we're going to c $1 trillion in the future over the next ten years when we aren't placing the emphasis on what are the conditions on the ground is not sound policy and it's certainly not sound national security policy
revenue in terms of what we are spending. $120 billion alone in afghanistan. alone. that doesn't include aid. 47, 000 troops still in iraq and we have tax cuts in place. >> the united states is strategically overextended worldwide. what are we doing borrowing money from japan and europe and persian gulf. we are overextended. >> exactly, pat. >> the country is overextended. you can't start fighting wars and not raise the revenue. >> maybe you ought to end the war. >> here we go. we have to do a little bit of everything. >> let's do one plan. we talk about both sides in broad strokes. walk us through what is actually inside the deficit reduction plan on each side. >> fair enough. >> simpson sets the standard. they came out with $4 trillion in deficit reduction. the paul ryan plan got about the same amount of deficit reduction, $4 trillion. the obama plan is $2.5 trillion of deficit reduction. the biden talks that have been going on are at zero, really, but they are talking $1 trillion spending cuts, maybe. by the way, even if the plan were adopted, we have $6 trillion more debt ten years f
vowed to investigate whether phone hackers targeted 9/11 victims. >>> thousands turn out in afghanistan for the funeral of ahmed wali karzai. the president went openly during that burial. climbing inside the grave to help move his brother's body at one point. karzai was mureded yesterday by a trusted family guard. on the way to the the funeral two roadside bombs was the target but no one hurt. >>> a second memorial service tonight in michigan for betty ford who died friday at 93 was mourned at funeral services yesterday in palm desert, california. among those attending first ladies rosalynn carter and michelle obama and nancy reagan and former president george w. bush was also there. >>> the national league in the all-star game won for the second year in a row. the brewers prince fielder got mf honomvp honors for this home. 14 minutes past the hour. now here is chris. >> the game has to mean something. a blistering heat wave from texas all the way to the east coast. while parts of the northeast which got hit with triple digit temperatures yesterday will finally see some relief today. cb
afghanistan. so i'd like to know a little more about why the secretary said this, and what he's basing it on. heather: peter, that's what i was wondering about when i heard this over the weekend, these messages are always crafted very carefully. why send this message now and i'm wondering to what extent it might have been a message to president karzai in afghanistan, hey, we're not going there be there -- going to be there forever, get your house in order or a message to the american public? >> i think it's talking to a lot of people. obviously people in the united states because the president has just decided to withdraw 33,000 troops over the next year from afghanistan. i think he's trying to wind down that war in afghanistan. that's what the president wants. i think you're right, there is also an international audience around the world, and they may also be able to tell al-qaeda or folks who might join al-qaeda that hey, it's not really worth joining up because the fact of the matter is we've got you on the run now. and i do agree with him that it's worthwhile, putting as much pressure on
as the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff discovered for himself this weekend. >>> here in southern afghanistan, soldiers and marines are dodging bullets. when they had a chance to throw questions at the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, their number one concern was the ongoing debate back home over the debt ceiling. >> the checkbook is not unlimited. >> they told soldiers if the talks fail they have to fight, but they may not get paid. >> there plenty of you living paycheck to paycheck. if paychecks were to stop it can have a devastating impact and a devastating impact pretty quickly. >> mullen told marines given the state of the u.s. economy, all the services they said cut back in the size of the force and maybe even military benefits. >> we will have to tighten our belt and prioritize and make hard decisions. >> in the middle of a war zone like many americans, these service members are worried about their jobs and asking what the heck is going on back in washington? >> here's a look at today's schedule. the senate will be in at sdmoon the vote will be set for 1:00 p.m. we will bring you
on the heels of the most absurd unfunded wars in iraq and afghanistan and unfunded trillion dollar medicare and bills and tax cuts for the wealt wealthy. i, myself, voted for all of this. back to my original point. >> welcome back to "morning joe". the medicare plan was a $7 trillion plan. most republicans have been watching. let's take a look now at the morning papers. the san francisco chronicle and a virtual fallout if congress fails to raise the contract. they took out $5.4 billion in loans, covering the bills in case money stops flowing in from washington. new york times under pressure from democratic colleagues, seven term representative, david wu said he would resign from congress following accusations of inappropriate sexual encounters last year. she was much, much younger. before the allegations, he was politically vulnerable. two others were going to challenge him. they have been talking about this going back to college, possible rape charges from his time in stanford. drivers in l.a. may regret paying ticket violations from traffic cameras. they admitted paying the fines is volun
savings from winding down the wars in iraq and afghanistan. these are real savings that cbo scores at about $1 trillion. we know that some republicans will quibble over these savings but they have no leg to stand on. but wars are the second biggest policy driver of our deficits after the bush tax cut for the conduct and the worst ads to our debt, to is undeniable that winding down the war's delivers savings. the administration tells us with the wind down, they can't prosecute -- they can count on billions of dollars over the next decade the cbo count $1.67 trillion. we know the republicans agree theythis mstath because included the same settings in the ryan budget that passed the house. they never criticized that accounting and it is hard to see how they could do so now. lastly, senator reid's proposal allows for a joint committee that has the potential to achieve deeper savings down the road. all in all, this is an offer that republicans cannot refuse. all of the cuts in center repots proposal have been supported at one point or another by republicans. if they refuse this offer, i
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it comes to discussing the merits of continuing our efforts in afghanistan, the republicans clamor to defend it despite our fiscal mess. i want to remind my republican friends the situation we are in now is not new. throughout history from rome to the ottoman empire to the soviet union the over extension of military and protracted struggles in foreign countries has crippled empires. some historians have credited ronald reagan for the soviet union's collapse but what really bankrupted the soviet union was its wars, just like us, they paid a crushing price both financially and morally in afghanistan. overextending geopolitically comes at a cost over time in any nation that thinks otherwise is setting itself up to repeat the mistakes of the past. as of today, the united states has spent more than 2 1/2 times the percentage of g.d.p. on afghanistan that the -- than the soviet union spent on its g.d.p. during its nine-year war in afghanistan. public polls are clear, americans know the cost of the war in afghanistan is unsustainable and want us to withdraw as soon as possible. when it co
of the joint chiefs is admiral mike mullen, he is in afghanistan and he said when he was asked the question, he's not sure what happened. >>... (inaudible) in our government defaults, where will that affect service members? i don't have the answer. we are focused on making sure we don't have it affect people already in the military. >> that was hard to pick up, the words are on the screen, and, he met with servicemen in bases in southern afghanistan and he's confident they will get paid and more confident the mission will continue in afghanistan, uninterrupted. >> we have this "fox news alert" for you, from overseas, now, we could soon learn the verdict for the american held in iran two years on spying charges, josh fattal and shane bauer were arrested in july of '09 after crossing into eastern from iraq and, they say they made a simple mistake and today was the final court session of their case, according to a judiciary spokesperson in iran and a lawyer for the hikers says we'll know the verdict within a week, under iran's islamic law, espionage can be punished by execution and, again, the sta
50 national guard troops returned to cedar rapids, iowa, after spending a year in afghanistan. about 2800 men and women will return home to the area in the next few days. this is the largest deployment that the state has seen since world war ii. and those are your headlines. >> let's talk about what's going on. couple of days ago, we heard the president of the united states say don't call my bluff, eric cantor and i'll take my case directly to the american people. today, the president is going to take his case to the american people. he has a press conference this morning at 11:00 a.m. >> we'll see what he says again. there's no talks today, folks. they've been doing them every day this week. there was a rumor maybe they'd go to camp david this weekend but not sure if that's going to happen. no talks today. >> fascinating to see after an hour and 19 minutes yesterday that eric cantor did not say a word today, yesterday, and on thursday. now the president for the second time this week will have his press conference at which time he's going to do something. i think it's his third one
it happened. >>> a man regarded as one of the most powerful politicians in southern afghanistan was shot dead today in kandahar, ahmed karzai was kandahar's council chief and the half-brother of afghanistan president karzai. he was killed inside hi home today during a gathers of tribal eltders. witnesses say he was shot by a bodyguard, a man karzai trusted and close to them for years. the taliban has claimed responsibility saying the shooter worked for them. >>> leon panetta has strong words for the iraq government while expressing the delay keeping troops in the country through the end of the year deadline. the secretaries y of defense wa baghdad monday and he met with troops at camp victory there where he took several questions. one san diego asks if the iraq leaders were ready to take over. i want you to listen to panetta's response. >> there are people that are going to disagree, there are people that are going to have different views. that's got to play out. that's what's happening here. very frankly sometimes it can be frustrating. i'd like things to move faster here in terms of the dec
away from capitol hill, the economy and debt crisis are weighing heavily on u.s. troops in afghanistan. the top question on their minds saturday, even as bombings rocked the city around them, was the top u.s. military officer couldn't answer. will we get paid? these are soldiers in afghanistan with the bombs bursting around them. here's what the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff said, and i quote, "i honestly don't know the answer to that question." admiral mike mcmullin responded, statement telling them to work each day to defend this country. wearing the uniform, listening to bombs go off around them. that is why today what is referred to in the press as real people. i guess we're not. we have students like laura and sidney. we have veterans like bill and roger and carlos and ariana who is a senior. guerm who is a senior. felicia is a senior. alyssa is a senior. they are here representing the millions of people around this country who are as frayed of the soldiers on the frontline in afghanistan. we don't have more delaying tactics? we need to get to the business of hand. we have
, keep in mind, pakistan is very important to our operations in afghanistan, as a supply route. eric? >> eric: we'll be talking to former u.s. ambassador, john bolton about pakistan and al qaeda. peter, thank you, jamie. >> jamie: a bold assessment on the war on terror from defense secretary leon.naet, the pentagon chief saying the u.s. is within reach of defeating al qaeda and making the comments on the first trip to afghanistan since taking the post. david piper is streaming live from kabul with more. david? >> reporter: hi, jamie. yes, america's new defense secretary already traveling around the country, finding out what the situation is on the ground here. today, he has been in southern afghanistan, where the majority of the fighting has been taking place in recent years. and, where the majorities of u.s. forces are currently based. this is of course panetta's first overseas trips since being appointed to his new role an afghanistan is a key responsibility for him. the defense secretary has been, though, very up beat about prospects of defeating al qaeda. >> now is the moment, fo
in afghanistan, asking their commander whether they get paid is really shameful. >> yes. >> what are the choices that are going to be made if this doesn't come through as you hope? >> well, it's really unthinkable. i think the scepter you raised is one of f e reasons i think there's so much urgency on capitol hill this morning. >> what are the tough choices and what will be paid? >> first of all, our focus now is on solving this. you know, we don't have much time left. a little over 60 hours, i guess. we've got to get this solved. >> and, you know, at the last hours, people are looking for off ramps. there is no off ramp here. the only option for congress to raise the debt ceiling and sign the initial deficit reduction savings into law. obviously, if congress isn't able to act, the treasury department has to brief people affected and will obviously do that. the focus has to be driving toward some conclusion. i think the american people are sitting home saying, they've gone through this recession, many lost jobs, many working two jobs, they are helping family helps who have been affected. they ar
-- i know you've been hearing this morning about the troops in afghanistan who are worried about being paid. how close are we to default really, and what do you say to those people who are concerned? i know you have constituents that certainly will be affiliated with the military. what do you say to them, they think their families won't get the paychecks they need. >> well, we're not going to default. that's number one. and even if we did, social security and the military are going to get paid. so what i say is don't worry, this is going to be solved. this is a political problem of people wanting to have it their own way. now, you know, you simply can't govern this country this way. you have to have people of good will that will come together as the good book says, come, let us reason together. you can't stick in your ideological stance in your partisan stance, you've got to come together for the good of the country, and that will happen somewhere in the course of tonight and into tomorrow. >> and, sir, i know that you could probably very easily finger point to members on the extreme o
eventually is a $1 trillion we are going to save from the wars in iraq and afghanistan. a peace dividend. now in the deliberations, republicans say that does not count any longer. having voted for it. so there is more than a little inconsistency all the way are around. that'll it is serious when you hear some members, a freshman, and some of the people campaigning for president, saying that you really do not have to raise the debt ceiling. and you would not really compromise anything much. but the truth is, the facts showed you can pay off the entitlements, but then you cannot pay soldiers in the field. you cannot have a justice department. you cannot have anybody looking at whether your borders are sick. you cannot have education. you cannot pay anything if you pay those bills and interest on bonds. that is it. >> that is why i think the good news in as bad situation is john boehner saying he still thinks we can get a big deal. >> the rupert murdoch scandal may have cost the atlantic. at the department of justice and all kinds of federal agencies will be going after this very hard. we will,
to afghanistan since taking the post. david piper is in kabul with more. >> before leaving with iraq the new defense secretary headed to southern afghanistan to see for himself a situation there had speak on the troops. this is the area where most of the fighting has been taking place in recent years and where the majority of u.s. forces are. this is the first overseas trip being appointed to his new role and its key responsibility for pinetta. they have been upbeat about the prospected of defeating al-qaeda in this trip. he said if they can keep the military pressure and capture or kill less than 20 of the key leaders, they are operating in countries between here and afghanistan and north africa, they will have in effect strategically defeated them. it's after afghanistan prepares for the gradual drawdown of u.s. troops due to begin this summer. 10,000 are due to leave this year and another 23,000 in 2012. he has had a meeting in kabul with hamid karzai to discuss the drawdown and role of afghan forces when this happens they are about to take the lead in some areas, with nato forces handing
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